hyper4mance
Registered: 03.02.2011
Location: USA
Posts: 3
17.04.2014 21:39:59
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Negative Points after race 3
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I understand there were component costs changes done after the last race. My question is my cash balances are all negative now. For example my component breakout for one team is:
principal: Mercedes (gained 1 point after changes)
d1: Massa (no value change)
d2: Bottas (gained 7 points after changes)
d3: Pic (no value change)
chassis Williams (gained 6 points after changes)
engine: mercedes (customer) (no change)
tires: option (gained 1 point after change)
secrecy: no
Now my cash balance is -13 mio... what gives? Nothing was changed from before race 3 (bahrain) until now. If the value of the components go up, shouldn't I have a positive cash balance?
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GaKra Motors
Registered: 02.03.2006
Location: Switzerland
Posts: 1066
23.04.2014 15:21:11
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And you do a great job, Maverick... and your middle-name is probably Patience.
This whole negative budget thing reminds me a bit of my difficult childhood. My parents used to punish me on birthdays by putting all the gifts into wrapping paper I had to get rid of first. 
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Maverick
Registered: 10.01.2004
Location: Austria
Posts: 1132
22.04.2014 22:32:09
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Negative Points after race 3
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The adjustment of costs after race 3 was not about penalize components for having a good performance, but it was about to correct the initial prizes.
Nobody has asked questions about the origination of the initial prizes. It's not an easy job to assign the prizes to the components in the preseason. I am usually quite good in doing this, but this year it was extremely difficult because of the new regulations.
Basically you criticize me being a lousy clairvoyant, because all I did after race 3, was to correct my own, underrated cost assignments. It was done in a fair way. Nobody had an advantage or an disadvantage. The only thing was, that you had to go one step back and had to select a team with cheaper components like everyone else had to do.
@huw davies:
Please take a closer look on your team budget:
Maer Hyrwyddwr ethol:
Race 1: 80 Mio.
Race 2: 82 Mio.
Race 3: 84 Mio.
Race 4: 89 Mio.
Race 5: 83 Mio.
You earned 5 Mio. with your team after race 3. That's quite good. Therefore I cannot see any penalisation.
PFRL stands for a fair and challenging competition. Some say it's a little bit too complicated. Maybe they are right, but this game is related to the top level motor sport racing series. Every step I do is well thought and I try to offer an exciting game play during the whole season.
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huw davies
Registered: 09.03.2010
Location: United Kingdom
Posts: 4
22.04.2014 15:01:23
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Costs changing mid season
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I agree with the comments above. My teams weren't great but i got resonable scores each week, then after race thrre my teams were worth negative money and one team in particular went dowm 11M. What's the point in having a team if certain drivers are penalised for having a good start to the season. I'm deleting my teams
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hyper4mance
Registered: 03.02.2011
Location: USA
Posts: 3
21.04.2014 20:17:15
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It just seems like choosing a team at the beginning of the season that improved so much that the points need to be adjusted, is almost like a penalty since you can no longer keep that setup once points are adjusted. I guess there will always be a give and take for adjusting points midseason, but thanks for your reply. I see your point Maverick and it would be unfair to have such a massive increase in overall cash balance.
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Maverick
Registered: 10.01.2004
Location: Austria
Posts: 1132
19.04.2014 11:10:23
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Yes I agree sirapz it seems counter-intuitive that if the values go up, the cash balance should increase, not decrease for components that improve.
The purpose of the extraordinary adjustment of costs is to correct under- or overrated component costs. I wouldn't make any sense to increase or decrease the team budgets during this procedure.
Please take a closer look on your team budgets. You have to add your team value and the cash balance. This total value is the only significant value.
The regular cost adjustments after race 3 has brought budget increases of 5 Mio. and more. You cannot seriously expect an additional increase of 13 Mio. in just one race.
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Dominik
Registered: 06.03.2005
Location: Austria
Posts: 453
19.04.2014 03:01:43
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As it has been already explained in the email, every team which has not a neutral or positive budget will get the necessary actions taken automatically after the pit lane is closed, which means any component of lesser value may be chosen.
It's definitely the whorst choice for a team owner.
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Gabriel Clerkin
Registered: 22.02.2006
Location: Ireland
Posts: 27
19.04.2014 01:46:59
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Value changes
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What happens to those teams that have a negative balance and do not change their teams??? Do they get points this weekend or what??
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hyper4mance
Registered: 03.02.2011
Location: USA
Posts: 3
19.04.2014 00:56:44
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Thanks for the reply maverick. Yes I agree sirapz it seems counter-intuitive that if the values go up, the cash balance should increase, not decrease for components that improve.
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sirapz
Registered: 06.03.2014
Location: Malaysia
Posts: 1
19.04.2014 00:21:13
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why -ve? the team cost should be up instead.. balance should be same as before the cost change
credit to those owner that picked overperforming driver (bottas) or team (william)
now its like advantage to those owners that picked underperforming driver/team.. they got cash to buy while others got -ve balance & have to 'downgrade' their teams.. 
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Maverick
Registered: 10.01.2004
Location: Austria
Posts: 1132
18.04.2014 17:28:35
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I have done 2 different component cost adjustments after race 3:
1.) Regular adjustments:
Toto Wolff: +1 Mio.
Bottas: +2 Mio.
Williams: +1 Mio.
Pirelli 2: + 1 Mio.
That's why your team budget has increased by 5 Mio.
2.) After that an extraordinary adjustment of costs has been done according to rule 3.2.4:
The component costs are adjusted without a modification of the total team budget values. The cash balance of the teams are altered accordingly. This can lead to a negative cash balance.
Bottas: +7 Mio.
Williams: +6 Mio.
Total: +13 Mio. (= your negative cash balance)
Your budget is at the moment not big enough anymore for your selected components.
For further details check the STATISTICS / COMPONENT COSTS page (colums R04, E04).
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